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New Handbook...

jeweler jimjeweler jim Posse Whipping Boy
in GGP / SASS / CASS / Shooting Sports Discussion
For everyone's reading and viewing pleasure I have attached a copy of the new shooter's handbook with the changes high lighted. Wouldn't hurt to read the whole thing instead of just the changes. <br />
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Copied it off the SASS web site.

Comments

  • Grizzly ClarkGrizzly Clark
    Thanks JJ. I looked at the handbook on the SASS site last week but it had not been updated. <br />
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  • dddd Gnome, gnome on the range&#33;
    Super! Thanks JJ.
  • jeweler jimjeweler jim Posse Whipping Boy
    Devereaux wrote on Jan 31 2009, 08&#58;53 AM:
    I have a question on gunfighter.<br />
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    According to the rules as now stated, I may shoot a section of a stage as a two-gun shoot, REHOLSTER my pistols with remaining live rounds as long as the hammer is completely down on a spent or empty chamber, move to the next position, then redraw and shoot that section again as a two-gun shooter.<br />
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    There is also a section that says that I am not allowed to reload to make up for a miss. So if I were to shoot section A (5 rounds) as two-gun, then lose track and COCK one of my pistols, then realize my mistake, I must now discharge that round to be able to reholster that weapon. ?Is that a miss, or can I reload a round at the next stage and shoot it completely. ?Will I also get a procedural penalty for not engaging the last target if I cannot reload.
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    Too many questions. I'll have to go back and take another look, but I don't think there is anything in there about REHOLSTERING the guns with live rounds unless... I believe that they are talking about RESTAGING guns as in putting them down on say a shooting table between pistol target sequences. In any event the changes are high lighted so again if I understand things once guns are drawn and COCKED they may not be returned to holsters until ALL rounds are fired. Can't put a gun down with the hammer on a live round so your expended round might not be a miss, but would be a procedural. The only way guns will go back into the holsters with live rounds would be if drawn, NOT COCKED with no rounds expended as perhaps you started with them when it called for the rifle first, then I believe that your guns could be returned to the holsters as you had neither cocked nor fired any rounds from them. <br />
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    Don't know if I understand your questions so I'm not sure that I've answered them. Page numbers on the miss thing would help, but I'll go look after I hit the "add reply" button.
  • Wrangler RichWrangler Rich Bronc Stomper
    edited January 2009
    "According to the rules as now stated, I may shoot a section of a stage as a two-gun shoot, REHOLSTER my pistols with remaining live rounds as long as the hammer is completely down on a spent or empty chamber, move to the next position, then redraw and shoot that section again as a two-gun shooter."<br />
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    "A Gunfighter may not holster revolvers with the intent to engage another revolver<br />
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    Dev, if I read this correctly, JJ has it right. No where does it say reholstering is permitted between the first 5 and the last 5. If there is a prop provided, then you can set them down and reengage after a split.<br />
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    I haven't found the answer to your second question, but there was a discussion on the SASS wire by "Widermaker" and answered by Pale Wolf Brunell (the all knowing rules Guru). I'll see if I can find a link<br />
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    Here ya go: http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118216&hl=<br />
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  • Wrangler RichWrangler Rich Bronc Stomper
    Here is PWB's reply:<br />
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    OOWSS, Umpqua Regulators, Siuslaw River Rangers, RUCAS, Jefferson State Regulators, Klamath Cowboys, Wolverton Mt. Peacekeepers, Molalla River Rangers<br />
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    QUOTE (Buckshot Shell-E, SASS # 37335 @ Jan 27 2009, 03:21 PM) *<br />
    I agree with the consensus here that if the shooter did what was described in the original post that the call would be a "P" with no miss.<br />
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    Option: Since there were obviously pistol targets available (even though they were not the correct ones) I'm pretty sure that the shooter could have hit one of the available pistol targets with that sixth round (getting a "P" for hitting them in an incorrect order) then move to the next position for the final four shots. The call would be the same. A "P" with no misses but the shooter would avoid the time penalty of reloading a round.<br />
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    Absolutely correct! wub.gif<br />
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    QUOTE (Buckshot Shell-E, SASS # 37335 @ Jan 27 2009, 03:45 PM) *<br />
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    I'd have to respectfully disagree. I don't think that getting a "P" on a stage would be much of a competitive advantage. This would just be the best way to get out of a brain fade. As soon as the pistol was cocked for that sixth round any intention of shooting the stage as intended went out the window.<br />
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    Unless something changed on this with the new rules coming out I would not call a spirit of the game penalty for this.<br />
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  • DevereauxDevereaux Paladin, Jr.
    See, I get confused. I was told previously that I could only draw and fire a pistol until it was empty. I was also told that I could MOVE with a loaded pistol BUT it had to be uncocked, and that if the movement was basically unimpeded, it was allowed, but if I had to shoot something ELSE, then I couldn't move with the pistols, nor draw both, shoot an 5 shot sequence, reholster, move, shoot something else, THEN redraw the pistols and finish the shooting.<br />
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    On page 14 is kind of says the same thing, only it talks about "staging" the pistols between sequences to shoot something else. THEN on page 22 it says, "A holstered revolver (loaded or empty) with the hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended case is considered safe and may not be interpreted as sweeping another shooter while safely secured in the holster." ?Now what in the wide, wide world of sports is THAT suppose to mean, if it doesn't mean I can holster a loaded gun IF the hammer is either on an empty chamber (hard to figure out) or on an expended case (easy to figure out).
  • Wrangler RichWrangler Rich Bronc Stomper
    edited January 2009
    OK, let's parse this out: Blue = my interpretation<br />
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    Devereaux wrote on Jan 31 2009, 12&#58;05 PM:
    See, I get confused. I was told previously that I could only draw and fire a pistol until it was empty Yes. I was also told that I could MOVE with a loaded pistol BUT it had to be uncocked Also true and kept pointing down range, and that if the movement was basically unimpeded, it was allowed true, but if I had to shoot something ELSE, then I couldn't move with the pistols This will take some preinspection. If there is a place to stage the pistols at the spot where you are shooting something else, then, you can move and stage , nor draw both, shoot an 5 shot sequence, reholster, move, shoot something else, THEN redraw the pistols and finish the shooting as the rules are written, a Gunfighter may not reholster the pistols between sequences.<br />
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    On page 14 is kind of says the same thing, only it talks about "staging" the pistols between sequences to shoot something else. THEN on page 22 it says, "A holstered revolver (loaded or empty) with the hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended case is considered safe and may not be interpreted as sweeping another shooter while safely secured in the holster." ?Now what in the wide, wide world of sports is THAT suppose to mean, if it doesn't mean I can holster a loaded gun IF the hammer is either on an empty chamber (hard to figure out) or on an expended case (easy to figure out). This has to do with sweeping another shooter with a holstered pistol, not an allowed procedure within the shooting sequence
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  • jeweler jimjeweler jim Posse Whipping Boy
    On page 14 is kind of says the same thing, only it talks about "staging" the pistols between sequences to shoot something else. THEN on page 22 it says, "A holstered revolver (loaded or empty) with the hammer fully down on an empty chamber or expended case is considered safe and may not be interpreted as sweeping another shooter while safely secured in the holster." ?Now what in the wide, wide world of sports is THAT suppose to mean, if it doesn't mean I can holster a loaded gun IF the hammer is either on an empty chamber (hard to figure out) or on an expended case (easy to figure out).<br />
    Okay, took another look through the handbook. Again, staging is just that; putting the guns down on a prop between shooting sequences. Regarding page 22 you have those individuals who nit pick or might be considered the "rules nazis." We have movement in cowboy shooting and it is possible to "sweep" with holstered weapons during said movement and for those not shooting, like the brassers, they could be said to sweep someone with their MT pistols while they're bending over to pick up brass. Thus the holstered gun "is considered safe and may not be interpreted as sweeping another shooter while safely secured in the holster." Can't explain it any better than it takes away the opportunity for those that would take advantage by trying to call inappropriate stage DQ's. Again, most stages are started with loaded guns in a holster and the movement prior to shooting the pistols could in some cases have these holstered guns sweep or come close to sweeping someone. <br />
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    In my opinion most of the rules are in place to cover the five per cent of those that would cause problems versus the ninety five that would not. Why else did they have to write in the one on page 3? Most of this stuff is common sense, but that is no longer a "common" thing, causing us to now have twenty six pages.
  • UglyUgly Gunfighter With Way too Much Free Time
    edited January 2009
    Guys, you can move with two loaded pistols if the hammers are down on an expended round, you cannot holster, the weapons must be pointed downrange until you get to the next portion and finish shooting your pistols.<br />
    If you get too confused, then shoot the stage as a double duelist, draw one gun and shoot five rounds then holster, move to the next set of targets, draw second pistol and engage said targets and then holster that pistol.<br />
    If there is a table or prop that you can set your pistols safely down on you can do that as long as the hammers are down on a spent cartridge, i.e. shoot 1,2,3,4,5, alternating your pistols, leave hammer down after the fourth and fifth shot, move with pistols to next bank of targets (keeping the pistols pointed downrange) and continue with shots 6,7,8,9 & 10 and then holster.<br />
    If there is another gun to be used between the two banks of targets for your pistols and there is a prop available, set the pistols down and pick them up when you are finished with the different weapon.<br />
    Sometimes you just cannot shoot a stage as a gunfighter, then you have to shoot out of your classification (happens all too often), the best way would be to shoot double duelist.<br />
    If a weapon is empty or, fresh from the loading table with the hammer down on an empty chamber then the weapon is considered safe and through movement on the stage cannot be considered sweeping anybody.<br />
    Keep this going if you have any more questions; there are so darned many examples that could be thrown up it could be unending.    <br />
    You cannot reholster a pistol until all five rounds in that particular pistol are expended.
  • dddd Gnome, gnome on the range&#33;
    What Ugly said.
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