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That's a wrap! Thanks for a great season. See you all next year!
We should be shooting 2nd Saturday and 4th Sunday again next year.
Final schedule to be finalized in February.
We should be shooting 2nd Saturday and 4th Sunday again next year.
Final schedule to be finalized in February.
Territorial Bulletin
jeweler jim
Posse Whipping Boy
<div class="IPBDescription">I actually want feedback...</div>Received this earlier this afternoon.<br />
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Would direct you to page three of the attachment. If any of you have strong feelings or want to express a comment put it here or bend my ears at any of the matches you might see me at between now and the TG Summit. I will be sending my proxy with George Emmett as finances won't allow me to attend. So by Thanksgiving I need to have your feed back to tell George how to vote it. <br />
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I will do my best to explain the "Cone Thing" if you do not understand it (item 1), but would ask you to read through it a couple of times (pages 4 & 5) first as even I question whether I'm qualified to explain it in a clear fashion. My personal opinion on this one is not for me to share as it has been beaten to death and revived ad nauseum on the SASS wire. If you want your opinion voiced you have to tell me what it is. <br />
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Would direct you to page three of the attachment. If any of you have strong feelings or want to express a comment put it here or bend my ears at any of the matches you might see me at between now and the TG Summit. I will be sending my proxy with George Emmett as finances won't allow me to attend. So by Thanksgiving I need to have your feed back to tell George how to vote it. <br />
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I will do my best to explain the "Cone Thing" if you do not understand it (item 1), but would ask you to read through it a couple of times (pages 4 & 5) first as even I question whether I'm qualified to explain it in a clear fashion. My personal opinion on this one is not for me to share as it has been beaten to death and revived ad nauseum on the SASS wire. If you want your opinion voiced you have to tell me what it is. <br />
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Comments
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1) I don't like the idea of moving and drawing and holstering while facing in any direction as long as you keep the gun pointed in the circle. This means you could be facing the other shooters and the crowd and draw your loaded pistol then turn around!! Also some ranges have props that one goes in and out of. A shooter could draw as he is coming out of the prop, again facing the wrong way and now moving away from the firing line. <br />
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2) This is very judgmental, are we going to start walking around with protractors???<br />
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3) Shooters already take advantage of muzzle control in and out of holsters, this just opens the door for more problems. It eliminates twisting for cross draws. Its like speed limits, when its 55 people go 65. Raise it to 65 then they want to go 75.
This is a rule I cannot vote for. If it does go into effect, I think there will be a shortage of people who would like loaded guns pointed at them to be R/O Timers.<br />
We have to ask ourselves... What exactly does this rule gain us? Is there something that this rule does that the 170 rule doesn't do? Does this rule benefit all or just certain shooters.. Good questions all. <br />
These are my opinions and I'll stand by them with my fire suit on .<br />
your mileage may vary.<br />
StoneyMike
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Supposedly the drawing of the guns will maintain a muzzle direction that will be within two feet radius of the holster that it comes out of and eliminate the watching of the 170 plane. Do I think that if they can't maintain the 170 they will maintain the "safety cone?" When you time certain shooters are you standing with your feet closer than the two feet distance? You betcha! It would be my guess that you have a larger opportunity for shooters to sweep the timer with the cone thing than you currently have, but in all the "demos" it is performed in such a fashion that no one gets sweep. In a perfect world I guess this is an improvement (luckily we have very few shooters with the shoulder holsters because that's where this one can get real interesting).<br />
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I said I wasn't going to express an opinion and here I am anyway. Kinda comes down to what DD said. As far as the cant on the holsters we already have that rule in place and yes there have been discussions as to here you might get cheap protractors for the range. <br />
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In the final analysis I would remind us that the "Wild Bunch" has the final say and regardless of how the governors vote they can go whatever way they want with anything they want. So from my perspective the voting sometimes comes down to nothing more than an indication of which way the membership would prefer they go. <br />
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Again, I'll tabulate the opinions I get and pass them on.
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The circle of safety rule as proposed will lead to a great deal of interpretation ie. disagreement as to where the circle is at any given time during the shooters progress on the stage they are on at the time. This is a great deal of responsibility for the Ro/Timer and in my opinion would require a additional Safety Ro.<br />
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The only thing that is required to me is the basic Rule that barrel direction be down range at all times or another way of stating it would be to say that all guns in use (in hand) be pointed forward of the firing line the 170 rule included.
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1) Cone of safety. NO -- Dice does an excellent job in three statements of explaining the current 170 rule:<br />
This is 180.<br />
This is 170.<br />
Keep your muzzle with in 170.<br />
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2) Bisley parts in non Bisley pistols. No again. External Modifications. <br />
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3) Adjustable sights. No. Going IPSIC???<br />
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4) Rifle overloading. Yea. <br />
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5) Another Category. Yea. <br />
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My opinions only. <br />
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JP
issue under this new proposal. The<br />
shooting community at large MUST<br />
take on a more serious and committed<br />
role in the enforcement of the 30<br />
degree from the vertical canted holster<br />
rule.<br />
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This is a direct quote from the proposal. and my question is if they (the ones that want to change the rule) can't, won't or don't enforce the existing 170 rule, what makes them think this will be enforced?<br />
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1.) I vote NO!!! Enforce the 170. <br />
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2.) No again <br />
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3.) No again<br />
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4.) While overloading is a problem, The shooter must take resposibility for his actions. No again<br />
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5.) I think FCGF should be an accepted catagory. Yes<br />
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WR<br />
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SK
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I wasn't thinking of me.. (and I know you were just funnin')<br />
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I believe that there are enough BP shooters out there that need this catagory to feel they are getting a fair shake at competition. I have been to shoots that actually have more BP Gun Fighters than Smokeless. If they feel they are at a disadvantage because of their propellant, they could always switch back, but I think they are having too much fun, and would like to add this catagory.<br />
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WR<br />
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Is that a bad thing? I personally don't think so. <br />
I do know that it will be much easier to determine if a shooter has illegal hammers on their guns. There won't be any to worry about. The rule would be if it fits and is comfortable for you, use it.<br />
I don't see this as a slippery slope thing at all, just a continuation of the rule already voted on (the Blackhawk hammers). <br />
I will hold a discussion this weekend at my shoot to see the feelings of my club.<br />
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As it sits right now it looks like<br />
1 not only No but Hell No<br />
2 yeah why not <br />
3 haven't had much discussion so I can't say<br />
4 No<br />
5 Absolutely Yes ( gives Dick Dastardly a legitimate category to play in)
2) Yes, they put Superblackhawk hammers on a Vaquero and SASS is backing them, so why not. (I had a set of Vaqueros with them hammers before it was illegal, best duelist pistols I ever owned. May do it again)<br />
3) No adjustable sights.<br />
4) I have gotten "Ps" because I was stupid and overloaded. And if i am stupid again, I will get another "P" if I leave it in the gun and don't clear it before I put it down. NO<br />
5) Yes, let somebody enjoy themselves.<br />
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Dice